From the beginning of this website, we’ve followed the truth anywhere it leads us.
Along the way, in much the same way as Trump, we’ve been proven right over and over again…even when we were initially ridiculed or mocked.
Two of the dominoes still left to fall?
…and Flat Earth.
I’m not even 100% convinced of the latter, but as to the former I know a couple things:
First, I never saw them as a kid growing up.
You see, we didn’t have the Internet back then, so you occupied your time by other things.
Sometimes, quite literally just staring up at the sky and watching the airplanes go by.
And I distinctly remember watching the vapor trails dissipate as the planes went across the sky.
I remember watching to see how far away the plane would get before they’d dissipate to the point where you no longer saw them.
Usually only took a few seconds.
You NEVER saw them fill the sky edge-to-edge in cross-hatch patterns.
And if those of us who remember the same thing don’t start speaking up, soon that generation will be gone and kids born today will think the cross-hatch chemtrail patters are normal.
These people plan at the generation-level of planning.
You and I are lucky to plan a few months, maybe a year.
These people plan in 50-100 year periods.
And that’s why I’m speaking up.
I’d love to hear how many of you have the exact same memory as I do…seeing only the short vapor trails.
Please, speak up in the comments!
Here’s what else I know…
I find it insane that this is literally happening in the sky above us.
On display for all to see!
“Hidden” in plain (plane?) sight.
As for the Flat Earth, I covered that a few days ago, and I won’t rehash it here, except to say I expect in my lifetime BOTH of these “conspiracy theories” will be proven to be true.
Ok, just one comment…
If we’re really spinning at 1,000 mph, wouldn’t we feel it?
And wouldn’t the people at the Equator spin exponentially faster than someone in Canada?
Does it feel any different in either place?
Do planes account for faster or slower spinning depending on where they land?
For that matter, I would think it would be infinitely harder to land on a north-south runway if the Earth were spinning at 1,000 miles…
But what do I know.
Anyway, back to our video…
Watch and see what you think…
“Chemtrails over a Flat Earth”
Chemtrails over Flat Earth…. pic.twitter.com/P6TGkcngpj
— PaulsCorner21 (@TNTJohn1717) January 1, 2023
MUST SEE: Chemtrails EXPOSED In Arizona!
This article really pumps me up!
Because people are waking up all across this great nation!
I publish each day from America’s Heartland but I get emails from readers all across our country every single day (actually, from all across the world).
And what really pumps me up is to see people doing their own research, thinking for themselves, and then sending me emails with their thoughts…
Or with photos and videos!
And that’s what I have to share with you right now.
We’ve been covering the TRUTH behind Chemtrails for a longtime here at WeLoveTrump.
It’s always baffled me how they can literally be spraying heavy chemicals like aluminum and barium in the skies right above us, and some people don’t notice!
Or refuse to even question what may be happening.
Because it’s easier to just ignore it than to really consider the idea that our government and/or the “power elite” are literally spraying poisons into our air for us to breathe.
Perhaps it’s why cancer has skyrocketed?
Why autism has skyrocketed?
Why dementia has skyrocketed?
Heavy metals in the brain?
Well, I was so pumped today to get an email from a reader who sent me this video from Casa Grande, AZ capturing some of the absolute worst Chemtrails I have ever seen!
They shot a video and sent it to me!
FOLKS….we are winning!
We are winning hearts and minds and we are waking people up!
They’re waking up and realizing the skies NEVER looked like this 25 years ago.
Do you remember?
Think back and ask yourself if you EVER saw this 25 years ago?
You saw blue skies and clouds.
Friends, these are NOT clouds.
Massive lines that stretch for edge to edge in the sky?
That’s not a cloud.
And here are THREE of them lined up in a perfect line.
We don’t know what happened next, but based on my experience, after they lined up these three parallel chemtrail lines, the planes then flew back in a cross-hatch pattern to get maximum distribution.
Anyway, check out this awesome video that a reader sent me (you can hear him say “Hey Noah!”) and gave me permission to upload and post here on Rumble:
And now for everyone who is about to tell me all the reasons why this is normal, I humbly ask you to keep reading…
Sorry folks, you used to be able to give me any number of excuses and justifications claiming that I was wrong and these were not chemtrails, but you no longer have that option.
You no longer have that luxury.
Because just last week, the White House itself came out and said POINT BLANK….we are spraying chemicals into the air.
We call it “stratospheric aerosol injections” and we’ve been doing it for 20 years.
Oh, and that’s not some fringe website…that was reported on CNBC.
I have all the details here if you have the courage to deal with your own cognitive dissonance and read it:
Crimes Against Humanity: CNBC Just ADMITTED Chemtrails Are Real
STANDARD DISCLAIMER: this article will trigger some with extreme cognitive dissonance. Beware.
I’ve been reporting on chemtrails for a LONG time on this website.
And I always get a few categories of responses…
Response #1 – people who see the chemtrails with their own eyes just like I do and know this is NOT natural and something is very wrong here. Very bad idea to be doing this.
This group is growing and I would say is now well over 50%.
The next responses are the people suffering from cognitive dissonance.
I get it.
It’s a very hard red pill to swallow to think your government is spraying heavy metals into the air (that then fall down and we breath them in).
A likely contributor to all the sickness and disease and dis-ease we all feel?
So Response #2 goes like this – these are nothing more that contrails from airplanes. Just a jet stream.
The only problem with this is two-fold: One, contrails do exist, but they evaporate very quickly and don’t stay in the air.
See the big picture at the top of this article?
Those are crossing chemtrail lines (they love to spray them in X or crosshatch patterns) and those have been in the sky often for over and hour long. Not contrails. Not dissipating.
The other big problem with Response #2?
CNBC just told you that chemtrails are real, and I’ll cover that in just a moment.
Response #3 – they can’t be chemtrails because every pilot and airport in the world would have to be “in on it” and that’s just not possible. Plus no one could be that evil. I just don’t want to believe it so I refuse to even consider it.
Otherwise known as the Ostrich approach.
Refusing to consider truth does not stop it from being truth, it just means you may have buried your head in the sand.
Now let’s go to CNBC and the White House, who both now fully admit this is happening.
They call them “stratospheric aerosol injections”.
We’ve reported on that term for a long time — John Brennan himself admitted it about 10 years ago at the CFR.
But now even CNBC is covering it.
Take a look:
They literally admit They are Spraying the Skies NOW!!!!! Every conspiracy is FACT https://t.co/Jp6wPWfXGv
— Christopher Greene 😎🏝🚀⛵️ (@amtvmedia) October 13, 2022
I love this quote from the CNBC article:
Read that quote again:
“Because it has the potential to affect the entire glove, it often gets the most attention.”
Yeah, you don’t say!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Yeah, spraying heavy chemicals into our skies — into the air we literally breathe — certainly should get the most attention!
That’s why we’ve been shouting it from the rooftops on this website.
CNBC also tells us this all started as early as 1965:
Another quote is even more mindblowing…
Check this out:
For all the deniers and Ostrich’s out there, please READ THIS AGAIN very carefully!
“This isn’t something new…we’re already doing it!”
And then even more mindblowing:
“We don’t understand what we’re doing.”
Put it all together folks, and they just told you this: We’ve been spraying heavy chemicals into your air for decades. It’s real. It’s not new. We’re already doing it. And honestly we don’t even really know what we’re doing or the longterm affects.”
This is outright criminal.
CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
Yes, it’s that serious.
Here is just a portion of that CNBC article (read the full article here: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/13/what-is-solar-geoengineering-sunlight-reflection-risks-and-benefits.html):
The White House is coordinating a five-year research plan to study ways of modifying the amount of sunlight that reaches the earth to temper the effects of global warming, a process sometimes called solar geoengineering or sunlight reflection.
The research plan will assess climate interventions, including spraying aerosols into the stratosphere to reflect sunlight back into space, and should include goals for research, what’s necessary to analyze the atmosphere, and what impact these kinds of climate interventions may have on Earth, according to the White House’s Office of Science and Technology Policy. Congress directed the research plan be produced in its spending plan for 2022, which President Joe Biden signed in March.
Some of the techniques, such as spraying sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere, are known to have harmful effects on the environment and human health. But scientists and climate leaders who are concerned that humanity will overshoot its emissions targets say research is important to figure out how best to balance these risks against a possibly catastrophic rise in the Earth’s temperature.
Getting ready to research a topic is a very preliminary step, but it’s notable the White House is formally engaging with what has largely been seen as the stuff of dystopian fantasy. In Kim Stanley Robinson’s science fiction novel, “The Ministry for the Future,” a heat wave in India kills 20 million people and out of desperation, India decides to implement its own strategy of limiting the sunlight that gets to Earth.
Chris Sacca, the founder of climate tech investment fund Lowercarbon Capital, said it’s prudent for the White House to be spearheading the research effort.
“Sunlight reflection has the potential to safeguard the livelihoods of billions of people, and it’s a sign of the White House’s leadership that they’re advancing the research so that any future decisions can be rooted in science not geopolitical brinkmanship,” Sacca told CNBC. (Sacca has donated money to support research in the area, but said he has “zero financial interests beyond philanthropy” in the idea and does not think there should be private business models in the space, he told CNBC.)
Harvard professor David Keith, who first worked on the topic in 1989, said it’s being taken much more seriously now. He points to formal statements of support for researching sunlight reflection from the Environmental Defense Fund, the Union of Concerned Scientists, and the Natural Resources Defense Council, and the creation of a new group he advises called the Climate Overshoot Commission, an international group of scientists and lawmakers that’s evaluating climate interventions in preparation for a world that warms beyond what the Paris Climate Accord recommended.
To be clear, nobody is saying sunlight-reflection modification is the solution to climate change. Reducing emissions remains the priority.
“You cannot judge what the country does on solar-radiation modification without looking at what it is doing in emission reductions, because the priority is emission reductions,” said Janos Pasztor, executive director of the Carnegie Climate Governance Initiative. “Solar-radiation modification will never be a solution to the climate crisis.”
Three ways to reduce sunlight
The idea of sunlight reflection first appeared prominently in a 1965 report to President Lyndon B. Johnson, entitled “Restoring the Quality of Our Environment,” Keith told CNBC. The report floated the idea of spreading particles over the ocean at a cost of $100 per square mile. A one percent change in the reflectivity of the Earth would cost $500 million per year, which does “not seem excessive,” the report said, “considering the extraordinary economic and human importance of climate.”
The estimated price tag has gone up since then. The current estimate is that it would cost $10 billion per year to run a program that cools the Earth by 1 degree Celsius, said Edward A. Parson, a professor of environmental law at UCLA’s law school. But that figure is seen to be remarkably cheap compared to other climate change mitigation initiatives.
A landmark report released in March 2021 from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine addressed three kinds of solar geoengineering: stratospheric aerosol injection, marine cloud brightening, and cirrus cloud thinning.
Stratospheric aerosol injection would involve flying aircraft into the stratosphere, or between 10 miles and 30 miles skyward, and spraying a fine mist that would hang in the air, reflecting some of the sun’s radiation back into space.
“The stratosphere is calm, and things stay up there for a long time,” Parson told CNBC. “The atmospheric life of stuff that’s injected in the stratosphere is between six months and two years.”
Stratospheric aerosol injection “would immediately take the high end off hot extremes,” Parson said. And also it would “pretty much immediately” slow extreme precipitation events, he said.
“The top-line slogan about stratospheric aerosol injection, which I wrote in a paper more than 10 years ago — but it’s still apt — is fast, cheap and imperfect. Fast is crucial. Nothing else that we do for climate change is fast. Cheap, it’s so cheap,” Parson told CNBC.
“And it’s not imperfect because we haven’t got it right yet. It’s imperfect because the imperfection is embedded in the way it works. The same reason it’s fast is the reason that it’s imperfect, and there’s no way to get around that.”
One option for an aerosol is sulfur dioxide, the cooling effects of which are well known from volcanic eruptions. The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo, for instance, spewed thousands of tons of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, causing global temperatures to drop temporarily by about 1 degree Fahrenheit, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.
My friend Christopher Greene had more on the story:
But here’s the good news…because our reporting has been so honest and accurate, we are winning!
People are waking up!
We are truly are winning hearts and opening minds.
People are finally looking up and seeing what has been obvious in the skies above them for years.
Like this email I just got from a reader (name withheld for privacy).
This is so encouraging!
And then check out the photos they sent me…
Pretty obvious, isn’t it?
THANK YOU so much for your email and for sharing your story with me!
And if you need more evidence and more things to show people, keep reading and show them this article.
Because I have video upon video of them in their own words admitting what they are doing.
Just yesterday I brought you an update from The Guardian that not only admitted to “cloud seeding” happening for years, but it explained in explicit detail that it’s done by spraying heavy chemicals into the air.
I’ll leave that research below.
But now I have a second video to share with you on the same topic thanks to a reader who sent it to me.
Look how old this video is and then realize they’ve been admitting it even back then.
Stunning, watch here:
Backup on Rumble:
And now here is my research from just yesterday, from The Guardian.
I know some of you have such serious cognitive dissonance that you can’t physically bring yourself to look up in the sky and see the chemicals being sprayed in the air above you.
That’s ok, but I’m going to continue reporting on it regardless.
We’ve covered this topic many times and provided countless evidence (beyond just using your eyes and looking up!) all of which I will copy down below in case you want more reading.
But for now I want to talk about the latest confirmation: China has now admitted to “cloud seeding”.
China deploys cloud-seeding planes and cuts electricity use as record heatwave takes toll https://t.co/mZ4SQyrHBL
— The Guardian (@guardian) August 18, 2022
I can already hear some of your thoughts in your head: “THAT’S NOT CHEMTRAILS!”
How do you think they accomplish the cloud seeding?
Sorry folks…it’s by spraying large amounts of chemicals into the sky to form the clouds.
Here it is in black & white literally admitted verbatim to chemtails — from The Guardian:
On Wednesday, China’s south-western province of Sichuan said it would ration power supplies to homes, offices and shopping malls, after having already ordered producers of energy-intensive metals and fertiliser to curb operations.
In what appears to be an official call to cut electricity use, government offices were asked to set air conditioners no lower than 26C (79F) and use the stairs instead of lifts, the Sichuan Daily said.
Fountains, light shows and commercial activities after dark are to be suspended, it added.
On Wednesday, the central province of Hubei became the latest to unveil an effort to induce rainfall, by sending airplanes to fire the chemical silver iodide into the clouds.
Other regions on the Yangtze have also launched “cloud seeding” programmes, but with cloud cover too thin, operations in some parched areas have stayed on standby.
Power shortages have also prompted several companies in the sprawling Chongqing region bordering Sichuan to say they would suspend production.
I bolded it, but let’s just read it all again together, shall we?
“BY SENDING AIRPLAINES TO FIRE THE CHEICAL SILVER IODIDE INTO THE CLOUDS.”
Folks, what more do you need to see?
They’re real and they’re very bad for humanity.
The good news is MANY people are waking up and catching on…like Tucker:
Is anyone said chemtrails?
Tucker Carlson: "Dim The Sun" experimental cloud seeding sponsored by Bill Gates pic.twitter.com/Dly41JhlC9
— OliveirA🇵🇹 (@COl86698257) August 30, 2022
And this Raymond dude:
End #HAARP, cloud seeding, geo engineering, #chemtrails and the secret Phoenix Project everything will be fine. https://t.co/gMmYpgXN4j
— Raymond Kibonekha (@ray99kibz) September 1, 2022
And this sums it up perfectly:
Chemtrails is cloud seeding. pic.twitter.com/aOEloapvCC
— Put on the whole armour of God (@youutube88) August 28, 2022
Let’s keep going, this was just the tip of the iceberg!
Why do the so-called “Elites” seem to hate the sun so much?
They constantly warn of “global warming”…
They are obsessed with ways to block out the sun…
Which only tells me one thing: the Sun must be VERY important.
And never has a photo been more significant than one I snapped recently.
The photo you see above is a photo I actually took myself…two MASSIVE chemtrails in an “X” formation and it just so happened when I snapped the shot that they “X’ed” out the sun.
Fitting, isn’t it?
This makes me so furious, here’s what they are doing, it’s really almost beyond comprehension…
First, you have to understand these are NOT “frozen water vapors” like they try to claim.
Those are real and they are called “contrails” short for “condensation trails” and they are very short behind a plane and evaporate quickly.
Chemtrails are different.
They don’t go away quickly.
They grow and spread out over the entire sky over the course of an afternoon.
They’re often sprayed in X or cross-hatch patterns to get maximum coverage in the sky.
And…they contain heavy metals like aluminum, barium and now confirmed to have graphene.
All extremely toxic to humans.
I saw this on Twitter today and I was so encouraged to see other people getting it!
— healthbot (@thehealthb0t) April 25, 2022
I seriously can't with ppl who argue against this. I mean look up for crying outloud. It's literally that simple. Smh. The arguments I've read over the past few days on here are scary. Ppl are so dumb.
— Live learn teach (@fisherplgl) April 25, 2022
Kinda like this.
Spreads out and covers the sky with aluminum among other things. pic.twitter.com/T88EXt1ua0
— rajean johnson (@rajean11) April 25, 2022
Now here’s the most insidious part: these evil “elites” are spraying these day after day after day literally poisoning the air we breathe and then they have the GALL to claim that humans are destroying the ozone layer by our use of carbon-based fossil fuels.
It’s true that humans are destroying the environment, but it’s not just by living.
It’s this small group of elite sickos who are literally spraying the skies day after day with toxic heavy metals!
Then they claim we have to join the Paris Accord and give up all our freedoms and pay yet another tax (a “carbon tax” — what a joke!).
It’s the same game plan they run over and over.
Cook up COVID in a biolab in Ukraine or China, release it to the public, use the MSM to hype it up and work everyone into a panic, and then tell everyone the only cure is to take their poison vaccine.
It’s the same cycle over and over and over again….
THEY create a problem, they use their propaganda machines in the MSM to work everyone into a panic, then THEY roll out their solution, which is usually worse than the problem!
Sick, sick, sick stuff!
Sean over at SGT Report just had Dane Wigington back on his show to talk more about this.
They go into everything in much greater detail and I really want you to watch this video.
Watch and then share.
We have to wake people up to what is literally being poisoned in the skies right above them!
And yes, they answer all the common questions like:
Aren’t they poisoning themselves too? Why do it?
How do we know what metals are in the spray?
What video evidence do we have of the spraying?
Isn’t this just a “contrail”? (Answer: No!)
Watch the full interview here on Rumble:
Now let’s dig in even more…
Here are a few more photos I took from a couple weeks ago while I was enjoying a nice afternoon at the park with my kids.
The day started off with big, beautiful blue skies…not a cloud in the sky.
And then, this started happening:
There still wasn’t a cloud in the sky, but there these things!
I just have to wonder what most people think when they look up and see this…
Here are the options I’ve come up with so far:
Option 1- they don’t even think about it. Never even occurs to them.
Option 2- they think they are normal condensation trails (“contrails”) caused by planes.
Option 3- they know something is wrong but don’t know what or what they can do about it.
My hunch is over half the population falls into Option 1.
They are literally spraying heavy chemicals into the skies above us — into the air we breathe — and I have to believe if the majority of the people understood that and thought about it, there would be hell to pay.
But as it stands, I almost never hear anyone even question it.
Then I think there is a group of people like this Harvard Professor below, who I think fall into Option 2.
It can’t possibly be a “conspiracy” (even though all the other conspiracies seem to be coming true before our eyes).
No, they say — all explainable by science!
Besides, they say, the government couldn’t possibly keep something like that a secret!
And all the commercial airline pilots and crew couldn’t keep it a secret either, they say!
Watch the short video and then I’ll give my reaction:
Ok, so my take?
First, “compartmentalization” explains most of what the government keeps secret.
There are very, very few people who know the “whole picture” and the whole plan of any operation.
Everyone else just works on their small part and never has any idea or reason to question how it all fits together.
Second, no one who believes these are chemical trails believes they are attached to commercial airplanes. That’s just stupid and an intentional red herring to alter the argument.
No, the people who believe these are chemical trails believe these are government planes or private planes or both.
Again, compartmentalized by a very small subset of people and probably people who get very specific and limited orders and are not told anything further.
Now let’s explore some more pictures and videos and you tell me if these look normal to you:
Just a reminder they are poisoning your SKIES and they Don’t Care!! LOOK AT THIS!!!! These are harmful Chemicals to Humans and Harvard has now Admitted They are SPRAYING the Skies to Cool the Planet. I’ve had Enormous Headaches the Last few Days. #amtv #chemtrails pic.twitter.com/OOcn6ek7o8
— Christopher Greene 😎🏝🚀⛵️ (@amtvmedia) October 6, 2019
This is #staffordshire #england #derbyshire skies. I'm sorry but I do not believe these to be #contrails. In my opinion these are #chemtrails #aluminium #barium etc #GeoEngineering .. Seems to be admitted too yet publicity in the U.K. none existent – please LOOK UP #antchem pic.twitter.com/coUitesRm6
— Anthony Rhead (@antsared) January 9, 2019
Please L😷😷K UP… Even if you don't contemplate what you see as out of the ordinary, please see mass, volume of total sky obliteration. Its not trails anymore it total obliteration. Please research #GeoEngineering #chemtrails. See how its been admitted. #staffordshire #antchem pic.twitter.com/jdSjINzRI4
— Anthony Rhead (@antsared) April 6, 2019
My friends, these are NOT normal!
And they’re not just “condensation trails” either.
Let’s take a moment to address that.
Condensation trails DO exist and are normal.
In fact, back in the 1980s I remember seeing a lot of them.
I even remember as a kid watching them go across the sky and how quickly they disappeared.
Read that last part again: they ALWAYS quickly dissipated!
I even remember holding my finger up in the sky to track how quickly they would dissipate and go away completely (hey, we didn’t have anything else to do, there was no internet!).
But that’s a key point.
They NEVER lasted for longer than a very short stretch of the sky and they never spread out over time over the course of a whole afternoon.
Contrails exist, but they are VERY different from chemtrails.
Chemtrails have heavy chemicals designed to stay in the air and spread out.
They don’t dissipate.
Now, here’s the real kicker…
Would you be surprised to know that the Deep State doesn’t even try to hide it?
They ADMIT it!
I find it so hilarious when people who think it’s a “conspiracy theory” try to defend them, and I want to just ask them….you do know that even the Deep Staters like John Brennan are admitting it?
The thing is, they don’t call them “chemtrails”.
No, that would be too obvious.
They call them “stratospheric aerosol injections”.
Which is a super fancy way of saying chemtrails.
Literally injecting heavy metals into the sky.
Other times they call them “geo-engineering”.
They all mean the same thing.
Here is the full video:
And because that will almost certainly be deleted by YouTube as soon as I post this, I made a backup.
Here it is on Rumble:
And confirmed here too:
🚨Only Government planes spray !! NOT BOEING 747 OR COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS AT SAME ALTITUDE! GOV’T HAS NOW ADMITTED THEY ARE SPRAYING #CHEMTRAILS TO PROMOTE GLOBAL COOLING🥶 It’s All Lies!!! THEY ARE SPRAYING YOU LIKE A BUG 🐜FOLKS! TIES INTO #5G TOO! IT’S Terraforming the Earth 🌎 pic.twitter.com/wLJXZ1thsJ
— Christopher Greene 😎🏝🚀⛵️ (@amtvmedia) January 19, 2020
MIT admitting it too:
Here’s what geoengineering means and why you should care. https://t.co/2jd2Ht1RYq pic.twitter.com/FwB7XozD20
— MIT Technology Review (@techreview) August 15, 2019
It's not like they are hiding it. 54 countries are on record/have admitted they are geoengineering the skies.
The US is even discussing chemtrails & plasma weapons (think forest fires/911) in the senate! pic.twitter.com/9felAmC55d
— Paul (@1starshot) September 21, 2019
Oh and also… pic.twitter.com/zzLrzEgtn1
— Kimberley 🤗😘❤️ (@kimberley82h) September 21, 2019
The Deep State likes to call stuff like this “hidden in plain sight”.
Or is that in “plane” sight?
Would you please help us and share this everywhere?
Let’s get the truth out!
It absolutely boggles my mind how they are doing this every single day in the skies above us and it’s on display literally for the whole world to see and most people either don’t see it, don’t understand it, don’t question it or just don’t want to take the red pill and wake up.
Sorry folks, it’s time to wake up.
All the B.S. about “clean air” and the B.S. Paris Accord and all that garbage and in the meantime they are LITERALLY spraying the air with toxic metals on a DAILY basis.
Makes me furious.
It should make every single American furious.
It’s time to act.
But I want to know what you think…
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